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Average Joe SCOTUS: Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo

Ever heard of the Chevron Oil Company? They’re kinda a big fucking deal in big oil.

Well, they were also kinda a big fucking deal in America’s court system.

Before we get into Loper and Raimondo, our case for today, we have to understand why Chevron was such a BFD in the courts. It goes back to 1984 landmark case, Chevron U. S. A. Inc. v. Natural Resources Defense Council, Inc.

No one knew at the time, that it would be a landmark case, initially, it was your basic snooze fest. But, it has since been cited in other cases over 18,000 god damn times.

Was Chevron a fascinating case with a compelling opinion? That’s a big nope. And, since this isn’t our case today, I’m just going to give a simple overview.

But before we get into that, we need to explain a distinction I don’t think I’ve covered before.

In the United States, we tend to think that congress are the only people who write laws. While this is the framework the constitution lays out, it gets complicated.

The word law, for our purposes, is a generic term that basically encompasses anything the government has created to control, regulate, or restrain itself, or the people. But, there are five types of things that carry the weight of law, which have different purposes.

  • The Constitution: It is the document creating government and restraining government, which all other laws derive from. So it’s the shit. From there, if:
  • Congress wrote it: This is called a statute, often called an act. This is how the constitution suggests laws are to be passed, and aside from the constitution, they carry the most weight.
  • The courts wrote it: This is called case law, or precedent. The constitution didn’t really grant this power to the courts, SCOTUS gave it to themselves in Marbury v. Madison (1803), by suggesting the constitution gave them this power when it created the courts and ordered them to interpret law. (That said, congress can then rewrite the law—invalidating the opinion. However, if the courts strike down a law as unconstitutional, congress can’t just repass a law with the same unconstitutional premise—they’d need a constitutional amendment to do that.
  • The executive (president) wrote it: This is called an executive order. Also not in the constitution. It derives from the president’s authority to execute the law. It was not initially intended to be law, so much as a temporary order. If the president needed to act quickly in an emergency, and congress wouldn’t have time to act, the president needed some power to get shit done, so this is what they came up with. It carries the weight of law, but congress can simply write a new statute invalidating or clarifying it.
  • An agency wrote it: This is called a regulation. It is meant to expand upon laws (statutes) congress wrote, not to have been new law created from nothing.

As you can see, congress ultimately has the broadest power to write laws, since they can invalidate any other forms of law, aside from the constitution itself.

President Barack Obama delivers a health care address to a joint session of Congress at the United States Capitol in Washington, D.C., Sept. 9, 2009. (Official White House Photo by Lawrence Jackson)

This case will specifically hinge around statutes and regulations, so I will make sure to use those terms appropriately. I wanted to make sure you, the reader, understand those distinctions, as this case is all about that shit.

We all know about the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), right? Well, the 1970 Clean Air Act was their jam. It had a rule that said any new major “stationary sources” of pollution had to have a permit.

The idea was, if you had a factory or some large device in a place of business which was putting out pollutants, when it came time to replace that shit or build a new one elsewhere, it required a permit. The permit would then require that the replacement was cleaner than it’s outgoing counterpart.

However, to make life easier, if a company had for instance, a group of major polluting devices that worked in concert together at one location, then one of the components of that group took a shit, the company could replace it without obtaining a new permit, so long as the replacement component didn’t increase the total pollution coming out of the whole “bubble” of devices, as they called it.

It didn’t have to be better, just equal.

So, Chevron went about replacing one of these polluting devices, without upgrading it, under this bubble rule.

Great googly moogly, did that piss off environmentalists—they were none too fucking pleased. They wanted it replaced with a cleaner device.

Since the Clean Air Act (a statute written by congress, remember) didn’t really define a “stationary source” very well, the EPA (a regulatory agency) wrote the “bubble” rule into their regulation to clarify.

In their infinite wisdom, they felt it was a reasonable interpretation of the Clean Air Act’s intent—they were the experts after all. They didn’t think that just needing to repair an otherwise operative system somehow meant a company had to overhaul it completely. Not to mention, sometimes upgrading one component would require upgrading all of them, which could get really expensive.

But of course, environmentalists are the most nauseating group of social justice warriors that ever lived, and they decided to file suit, arguing that the EPA had no right to create this definition out of nowhere, just because it wasn’t well-defined in the Clean Air Act.

SCOTUS however, decided that since the Clean Air Act was ambiguous on this shit, and the EPA were the fucking experts, in such situations the court should defer to their judgement.

This one ruling, and the precedent it set, eventually translated into the idea that all government agencies should be deferred to, going forward, if they made a regulation in their expertise, that clarified ambiguous statutes written by congress, used to create the agency, or written to be regulated by that agency. It became known as the Chevron Deference, and it has been case law ever since.

As you can imagine, with a lot of government agencies, and a shit-ton of regulations, it makes sense that this case has been cited 18,000 times.

Now that you understand the basics of Chevron, let’s move on to our case today.

A group of fisherman (Loper Bright Enterprises) liked to fish in federal waters. But in this country, we often have a problem with over-fishing, where these commercial vessels take so many fish, that those populations of fish can’t reproduce fast enough to keep the species around for others to fish later.

Congress had had enough of this shit. They passed the Magnuson-Stevens Act (MSA), which is enforced by the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS), a federal agency, similar to the EPA referenced in the Chevron case above, albeit much smaller.

I know what you’re thinking. You’re thinking, “So how the hell does the government make sure that some asshole fishermen don’t overfish an area? They’re in the middle of the fucking ocean!”

No, it’s not with satellites, or sharks with laser beams on their fucking heads. They decided that they would require these fishermen to take a fed out on the boat with them. What made it worse to the fishermen, they had to fucking pay that fed to sail with them.

Imagine, in order to prevent speeding, if the Highway Patrol made you carry an officer in the car with you, and pay their salary for doing so. It’s hyperbolic, and just used to illustrate the point, but you can see why they might have beef with this.

The Magnuson-Stevens Act passed by congress didn’t specify this was the plan, but the NMFS decided to write that regulation, presumably because they couldn’t afford to pay these narks on their own budget. Since Chevron suggested such ambiguous law could rightly be clarified by them, they fucking went for it.

Under Chevron, the courts couldn’t really undo the rules made by NMFS, since the MSA didn’t create a clear rule for them to follow. So that’s why we’re here. To determine if these fishermen have a fair beef with NMFS, and potentially, if a previous SCOTUS was running a little fast and loose when creating this Chevron deference shit.

I’m going to go out on a limb, and explain the politics of this, because why the fuck not.

It’s important to understand a couple things. Remember, regulatory agencies are created by statutes which congress writes, but then the head of that agency is appointed by the president (with the consent of congress), and can by fired by that president, if the president is unhappy with the work they’re doing.

As such, a regulatory agency, is essentially, part of the executive branch.

So the concern, is that there are situations where the president might want congress to pass a statute, but Congress simply don’t have the votes to do so.

So what may happen, is the president looks at the regulatory agencies they oversee, and if one has some tacit connection to the statute they wanted passed, but couldn’t get passed, they tell the head of that agency to write a regulation that resembles the law they wanted. And then—abracadabra-alakazam—you have a law, and you didn’t need congress to pass it.

Since the constitutional principle of separation of powers suggests laws are to be passed by congress as statutes, and not the executive orders or regulations that come from the president, you can understand the separation of powers issue some people have.

People on the right tend to be for limited government, or at least that’s what they say, so they aren’t keen to give presidents this much power.

For Democrats, they argue that if a law is ambiguous about something, it makes sense for regulatory agencies to clarify. They’re the fucking experts, and it’s why congress creates these agencies in the first place.

For instance, imagine congress passes a law that creates the EPA, and says they’re supposed to ensure that the CO2 levels in the air stay within a range that’s acceptable for all current life on earth.

Since they don’t provide an actual number, it’s ambiguous.

So then they rely on the nerds at the EPA to do some science, come up with a number, and make that the regulation. Scientists are open to revising their beliefs based on new information, so if they find out their number is wrong, they can easily update the regulation based on the new science they did.

But you know who wouldn’t figure out what that number is? The fucking courts. They’re law nerds, not science nerds.

Now that you understand both political arguments, you know what I think? They’re both fucking right! They’re making extremely valid points.

Here’s where the politics come in. The left argue that the right are basically rebuking the expertise of the scientists, and instead, acting like they can do just as good of a job interpreting this shit.

They argue that this “separation of powers” issue is swamp gas. But this, I have a problem with.

As you may remember, I wrote about a little case called, National Federation of Independent Business v. Occupational Safety and Health Administration.

I won’t re-explain the whole thing here, just know these basic facts.

Joe Biden is not an expert in virology or communicable diseases.

During the COVID pandemic, Joe Biden wanted congress to pass a law requiring everyone get vaccinated, and if not, to wear a mask in public. Presumably for as long as the CDC suggested we were in a pandemic.

Democrats were tacitly supportive of this, but Republicans were like, “Absolutely not! This is America. We’re a free country, and we don’t do shit like this.”

Joe Biden, being the senile by crafty fucker he is, unable to get congress to pass such a law, asked OSHA to make a regulation requiring vaccinations or a mask in the workplace, instead. This effectively would have had almost the same effect as the law he wanted, since the unemployment rate is only about 4%.

SCOTUS overruled that regulation, and Biden lost. But at the time, for whatever reason, they did not overturn Chevron.

President Joe Biden

So like it or not, there was a real world example of precisely what the right-wing were complaining about, that is quite recent, and quite true. A non-expert president, overstepped his constitutional authority, and bypassed congress to achieve his political goals.

So accusing the right of being conspiratorial and shit, is pretty unfair, in this case.

Anyway, now that you know all that, on to the arguments…


Up first, for the Loper Bright team, represented by veteran SCOTUS counsel Paul Clement.

Paul Clement

He opened first, by arguing that the expense of lugging around, and paying for, a fed on a fishing boat isn’t insignificant. It can be as much as 20% of their cost, for a smaller operation.

Not to mention, some of these boats are small, and an extra person gets in the way.

But then, he went after the big fish—the Chevron deference itself.

He spent most of his opening remarks saying that this deference was wrongly decided, and should be abandoned, while maintaining that the Chevron case itself was probably fairly decided.

His argument is that the courts need not determine whether the statute is ambiguous, and therefore a regulatory agency has the unquestionable right to clarify. But instead, that the courts should do what they always do, give their opinion as to what the best reading of the statute is.

Justice Thomas started by asking counsel about mandamus. What is mandamus you ask? I had to look that shit up, too.

Mandamus is when the courts, issue an order to a lower government official, telling them to do their fucking job the way they think that person ought to do it, under the law.

So for instance, if a higher court thinks a lower court have wrongly denied an innocent person their freedom on appeal, and that lower court refuses to take the actions needed to release the person, maybe because they’re arrogant cunts who think they could not have possibly fucked up, they may use a writ of mandamus and basically say, “We weren’t asking, motherfucker—release him now.”

So the nature of his question, is about whether higher courts should tell lower courts how to consider these questions, versus what the opposition wants, which is to defer to regulatory agencies and their expertise, in matters where the law isn’t very specific.

Clement was like, “the constitution gave the power to interpret law to the fucking courts. Then your predecessors, in Chevron, basically gave that power away to the executive branch, since regulatory agencies answer to the president. That’s some grade A bullshit, right there.”

So in summary, he’s saying it’s a separation of powers issue, and the court was wrong to relinquish that power. Unless we’re to amend the constitution, interpreting statutes is the job of the fucking courts.

So if a statute is ambiguous, either congress needs to rewrite it, or the courts get to interpret it. The courts are certainly free to agree with a regulatory agency, but Chevron suggests they shouldn’t even look at the agency’s regulation if the statute is ambiguous, and that shit is wrong.

Justice Sotomayor, digging her heels in early, accused Clement of using some wonderful rhetoric.

Official Portrait of United States Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor Click for Biography

She stated that if a statute uses the word “reasonable,” that it’s delegating the authority to define what is reasonable to the agency the statute created.

However, Clement was having none of this shit. He was like, “the law on domestic fisheries is that they shouldn’t incur more than 2-3% of the cost of the catch—clearly they fucking thought about this issue.

So by what reason would your dumb ass think a 20% expense for these fishermen fishing off-shore waters is what congress intended? Have you ever even running a fucking business?”

While I’m sure the regulatory agency feels empowered to do such a thing, their power comes from congress, and congress wrote similar provisions into the statute where they capped it much lower.

So the problem with Chevron is, courts would normally answer statute questions—they’re the fucking experts on that. They should be well within their wheelhouse to look at one, and say, “this dog doesn’t fucking hunt.”

Justice Roberts, coming to the defense of Chevron asked, “It seems to me, you’re arguing that the law is not ambiguous, and therefore Chevron doesn’t apply. Right?”

Supreme Court of the United States Chief Justice John Roberts

Counsel Clement was like, “let me put it another way. Chevron says, if you look at a law, and you think you could interpret it in more than one way, you assholes normally decide what the best interpretation is.

That’s your fucking job.

So why would it make sense, in this Chevron context, to all of a sudden be like, ‘Nah, we’ll let the president and his fucking minions sort this shit out.’?”

Justice Kagan chimed in next and said, “Listen you little fuckwit. In normal statutes, if congress writes a shitty fucking law, you’re right. We’re on our own interpreting that shit. We do our best best with our legal expertise.

But if there’s a law that creates an agency, congress has given us a tool to answer such questions in the form of experts. Hell, you could even argue, that the law specifically created the agency to answer those questions. But you’re saying we should shove that tool squarely up our asses and ignore it? I think not.

We’ll use that tool, because a lot of times, they fucking understand the issue way better than we do, and why the fuck wouldn’t we defer to them when congress created them for that purpose?”

Counsel Clement then tried to argue that they had an amicus brief from the House of representatives saying it doesn’t want Chevron. But boy did he fuck up mentioning this, because Justice Kagan fucking drilled him.

She rightly pointed out that congress has the power right now to overturn any aspect of Chevron it wants with new law. Clearly they fucking don’t have the votes. For forty fucking years, they haven’t done so. So you and I both know, it’s just a bunch of your right-wing assholes that wrote that shit, not congress as a whole.

Associate Justice Elena Kagan

Counsel Clement regained his composure, and put Justice Kagan back on blast with this:

It’s really convenient for some members of Congress not to have to tackle the hard questions and to rely on their friends in the executive branch to get them everything they want. I also think Justice Kavanaugh is right that even if Congress did it, the president would veto it.

And I think the third problem is, and fundamentally even more problematic, is if you get back to that fundamental premise of Chevron that when there’s silence or ambiguity, we know the agency wanted to delegate to the agency.

That is just fictional, and it’s fictional in a particular way, which is it assumes that ambiguity is always a delegation. But ambiguity is not always a delegation.

And more often, what ambiguity is, I don’t have enough votes in Congress to make it clear, so I’m going to leave it ambiguous, that’s how we’re going to get over the bicameralism and presentment hurdle, and then we’ll give it to my friends in the agency and they’ll take it from here.

And that ends up with a phenomenon where we have major problems in society that aren’t being solved because, instead of actually doing the hard work of legislation where you have to compromise with the other side at the risk of maybe drawing a primary challenger, you rely on an executive branch friend to do what you want.

And it’s not hypothetical.

He’s not wrong. The above Biden example, with his OSHA vaccine mandate—is exactly what counsel Clement is pointing out.

Counsel Clement also mentioned a “Brand X” decision often in his arguments, citing it as a prime example supporting his argument.

He’s referring to National Cable & Telecommunications Association v. Brand X Internet Services. A case where the Rehnquist court in 2005, decided that Brand X, a broadband internet company, who was trying to avoid telecommunications regulations by saying it was an internet company, won their case, because the FCC basically stated they weren’t a telecommunications company, and Chevron deference meant the courts were supposed to simply accept that shit—which they did.

His argument was that the courts didn’t agree with the FCC, but the Chevron precedent suggested they had to go with the FCC’s interpretation whether they liked it or not.

Clement seemed to be arguing that this is an opportunity for the court to say, “You know what, we have the power, not these fucking agencies. We’re not handing the power over entirely anymore, we’re taking it back.

His other underlying concern, is that these agencies are vast and varied. So their decisions create new conflicts and precedents, where one agency might decide one way, and another addressing the same exact ambiguity, might regulate in a polar opposite way.

This is in contrast to the courts, who have case law and precedent, which aims to make consistent, things like this.

He even went on to attack congress rather directly, saying that the minority are using Chevron deference to get the president, if they agree with them, to pass laws as regulations, where they know they don’t have the votes to pass themselves. That’s not a soft jab, that’s a straight bomb to the face.

It’s a clear argument that Chevron is leading to direct violations of the separation of powers doctrine our constitution lays out.

Justice Alito asked counsel Clement about what he thinks changed since Chevron was decided. Was it right then, but wrong now?

Associate Justice Samuel Alito

Counsel Clement first laid out that the courts seem to have embraced textualism more, now.

Textualism just means that the courts interpret the laws as written, not how they think congress may have intended.

He points out, that he thinks the courts were simply wrongly removed from the equation entirely, with Chevron.

If the regulation is based on the expertise of the agency, the courts could and should recognize as much, and let it stand. But the courts should not just assume that’s true and walk away before even examining it.

If the courts recognize that it’s not a regulation based on expertise, but instead, based on politics where the minority and the executive are bypassing congress, the courts should step in and put a stop to it.

Justice Kagan, not a fan of Clement’s position, asked, “we have over 70 SCOTUS cases that relied on Chevron, and over 17,000 lower court cases relied on it. You want us to blow all the shit to kingdom come? What the fuck is wrong with you? The courts will be inundated with new cases, dogs will be sleeping with cars, it’ll be total chaos!”

Clement was like, “I’m not suggesting you blow up anything. No need to revisit a bunch of old cases. I’m suggesting you have the power to interpret law. Not congress. So why the fuck would you entirely give that power to congress, in this context?”

He specifically even said:

I don’t think you actually want to invite, in all candor, that particular fox into your henhouse and tell you how to go about interpreting statutes or how to go about dealing with qualified immunity defenses.

It is rather interesting he’s trying to get the courts to take power back, and the left-leaning justices seem very unwilling to take it.

I know this is disrespectful or arrogant, and I feel bad even saying it, but I think this is a case of political ideology clouding judgement. These justices are toeing a line their political compatriots want them to, instead of thinking critically. But I will try to remain humble, and open to the idea that I’m wrong here.

Clement went on to say, “Listen, I’m not saying overturn a shit ton of cases that relied on Chevron. Again, all I’m saying, is the court shouldn’t remove itself entirely. If the agency can demonstrate to the court, it’s decision is based on expertise the courts don’t have, then the courts should certainly let that shit ride, and not decide it themselves.

But if the courts recognize it’s simple politics, and not expertise, tell them to go pound sand up their ass.

However, Chevron is saying that they shouldn’t even analyze this, and that’s the problem Clement has.


Next up for the government, Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar.

Solicitor General Elizabeth Barchas Prelogar

She started off by saying the opposition acknowledges that congress can grant authority to agencies, allowing the executive to fill in the gaps they may leave in their legislation for an expert the executive appoints, to fill.

If so, then what the fuck is this grand attack on Chevron? If congress can expressly delegate those powers, why can’t they implicitly delegate them?

She also pointed out stare decisis (latin for “Stand by what’s decided”). The courts generally don’t like to overrule themselves, because then the law is all over the fucking place. Ain’t nobody got time for that.

So she argues, the court could clarify or build upon Chevron, while maintaining the basic principle, as overruling it entirely violates stare decisis.

Justice Thomas started by asking about situations where the law is ambiguous, versus the law is just silent.

General Prolegar pointed out that there are several provisions in the act pertaining to the fishery that talk about how it would be monitored, and by whom. So she argues that the statute isn’t silent at all.

Associate Justice Clarence Thomas

Justice Neil “Golden Voice” Gorsuch was like, OK if you think this statute is clear, and we think it’s clear, isn’t that the kind of shit we interpret every day? Why should we defer that to someone else?

He then asked, “if we all, in this room, think it’s clear, but a lower court didn’t think it was, isn’t that a fucking problem?

Isn’t that evidence that interpreting the statute is almost always ambiguous? If experts on law like us, can come to two different interpretations, there has to be some ambiguousness.

If so, then this Chevron test itself, is too ambiguous? Certainly we’re not supposed to give up on interpreting every statue and related regulation and let agencies handle it? We’re the experts on statutes, not regulatory agencies.

So we should decide if it’s a statutory issue, or an issue of expertise. If it’s statutory, then we fucking decide it. The nerds can handle the other shit.”

He points out that the “ambiguity” trigger in Chevron is so vague, we can’t even decide if it applies to this case or not.

I understand if congress specifically gives the authority to the agency to answer a question in the statute. But you lost me at the idea we should just infer it if the language seems unclear to anyone. That’s crazy talk!”

Associate Justice Neil Gorsuch

Counsel Prelogar pointed out that when creating an agency, congress wholly understands its limits of expertise. It purposefully leaves gaps in these laws for these agencies to fill in with regulation, and they have the authority to do so. All Chevron does is recognize that, and honor what congress intended.

Justice Barrett then asked about the previous Brand X ruling, that used the Chevron deference as it’s underpinning. She asked, “Brand X basically said, even if we, the court, have an opinion about the law, and we think it’s better than the regulatory agency’s interpretation, if the court deems the agency’s interpretation is fair or reasonable, it has to go with the interpretation, and ignore what the court thinks is best. But you’re saying we don’t do that, we just use our best judgement based on all the interpretations?”

General Prelogar said she didn’t read Brand X that way. She felt that if the court could see congress did or didn’t delegate the authority to the agency in Step 1 (the statute), then there was no need to go to step 2 (the regulation) and decide if the regulation is fair or reasonable—the court should defer to the agency.

This talk of steps should probably be explained. Chevron was a two-step process.

Step one was to determine if the law was ambiguous or not. If it wasn’t, then Chevron doesn’t apply, and the courts should interpret the statue or regulation, how they see fit.

If the courts believe the statute is ambiguous, then they go to step 2, and determine if the regulation the agency wrote to clear up that ambiguity is reasonable. If it is, then the courts should defer to it, as opposed to coming up with their own interpretation.

Justice Barrett seemed concerned that there’s a facet of step 1 that says they don’t even go to step 2. Barrett’s argument is that the courts should at least go to step 2 and consider the regulation. Step 2 could have some pretty repugnant shit that the courts would never allow.

Associate Justice Amy Coney Barrett

Justice Roberts asked if Chevron applies to constitutional questions.

Sometimes the court just clears up ambiguously written law, but sometimes it weighs whether the law is even constitutional.

So if step 1 (the statute) is ambiguous, and step 2 (the regulation) is unconstitutional in the court’s eyes, Chevron seems to suggest the courts should still allow the unconstitutional regulation, because they were not supposed to even go to step 2.

But General Prelogar, conceding Justice Robert’s point, suggested Chevron was not meant to block constitutional questions, only to clarify statutory questions.

Counsel Prelogar suggested that they’re interpreting Chevron wrong. It isn’t that the courts don’t even get to step 2. Her opinion is that they always would.

They look at step one and simply determine if the statute is ambiguous. If it isn’t ambiguous, they would ensure that step 2 jibes with step 1, or is constitutional.

If the statute is ambiguous, then they look at step 2, and see if the regulation is reasonable, and presumably constitutional. If it is, then they roll with that shit, instead of trying to interpret it better themselves. If it isn’t reasonable, then they do what they do best—strike that shit and rewrite it.

Either way, they always get to step 2.

After this, Justice Gorsuch and General Prelogar went on a lengthy back and forth about the idea that when considering a statute, congress goes through a lengthy process, where voters can petition their congressperson, and give their opinions before a statute is passed.

Associate Justice Neil Gorsuch

But regulatory agencies just pass regulations without telling anyone, necessarily.

Justice Gorsuch is concerned that the people’s government isn’t consulting the people when regulations are passed, and Chevron cuts the people out even more.

He even reiterated the idea that every person gets their day in court, if they want it. But this deference rule sort of says, well, if the law is ambiguous, and the regulation says they don’t, then fuck ’em. They can’t get their day in court.

Justice Sotomayor went back and asked about Clement’s previous argument in regards to the 20% cost of the catch estimates, which are too unworkable, and would often leave these fisherman with no profit margin left.

General Prelogar responded that this 20% number they came up with, were from a land of pure imagination.

This was an estimate provided that it said it could go as high as 20%. In the real world where we live, it falls in the 2-3% like the others he mentioned.

She went on to say, that even if it were higher, the agency provided for waivers and exemptions, if it was truly an unworkable burden for them. So in her opinion, Clement was talking shit.

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I think we’ve talked about the Major Questions Doctrine, before in the aforementioned OSHA case. But it’s worth reiterating that the current court feels that major questions are to be answered by congress, not regulator agencies, working as minions for the president.

Again, citing the OSHA case, it was effectively saying the entire working population should get vaccinated, or wear a mask when at work. That’s a major question, as it affects about 96% of the population. The right-wing segment of the court things such questions should be handled by congress, who are answerable to the people if they vote that way, and should not be sneakily pushed through an agency at the president’s behest instead.

General Prelogar knows this court’s majority agrees with this doctrine, so she made an effort to suggest that Chevron is workable within the major questions doctrine, because again, she’s suggesting that Chevron allows for the courts to analyze both steps, the statutory and regulatory, and decide if there’s some sort of over-reach, or other political bullshit going on, and rule accordingly.

Convincing them of that, is probably her only chance of winning this shit.

Counsel Clement did get an opportunity for rebuttal at the end.

He made the point that because of Chevron, members of congress who want to achieve something controversial, which they know would not pass the house and senate, would purposefully make a law ambiguous. Then, they would lean on a sympathetic president to push the agency under their control, to write a clarifying regulation the way that they wanted to pass the law, but couldn’t.

So he feels that overturning Chevron is necessary to shut this shit down.


And overturn it, they did.

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In a 6:3 partisan split, where Justices Sotomayor, Kagan, and Jackson dissented, SCOTUS sided with Loper Bright, and while doing so, rebuked the Chevron deference.

The majority’s opinion is pragmatic, in my opinion. We’ve covered the political arguments over this case fairly well, and the courts reiterated them.

They agree, that expert opinions, on areas where expertise is warranted, should be considered, and accepted, if they are reasonable interpretations, they don’t violate any constitutional principles, and it seems fair that the statute used to create that agency, give them the power to make such a regulation.

So the left’s argument that the courts are looking to overrule experts in areas that they don’t have expertise, is hyperbolic nonsense, usually reserved for assholes in congress, not the Supreme Court.

So as an example, if congress writes a law asking the EPA to regulate the air in such a way as to ensure healthy air to breathe for humans, and then the EPA writes a regulation saying the air should have no more than 100 parts per million (PPM) of some harmful pollutant, because studies have shown, that more than 100PPM is when it becomes statistically significant to human health, the courts will and should recognize the court is out of it’s bailiwick, and not try to answer that question better.

If the regulation in question however, seems more about statutory interpretation, then the courts can and should consider how they’d interpret it, and if they feel their interpretation is better, they should have no qualms smacking down the regulatory agency.

For example, if congress passes a statute asking the EPA to regulate the air quality, and the EPAs response is to enact some political scheme that bans fossil fuels, that may be a problem. The courts should consider that as a major question, and decide whether that’s an agency’s expertise, or a political question for congress to decide with the consent of the people.

Because, it’s possible fossil fuels could have a place in the market, along side cleaner energy, and banning them completely isn’t really science at all, but a political ideology being put into play.

Hear oral arguments, read about the case, and the opinion here at Oyez.com

Here is another great video from Yale law professor Jed Rubenfeld, explaining it more professionally, than yours truly.

While professor Rubenfeld seems to take an unbiased approach to these issues, here is another, less than unbiased interpretation from Legal Eagle.

Average Joe SCOTUS: West Virginia v. Environmental Protection Agency

As you may know, West Virginia is generally a low-income state. It’s not the place the rich and famous go to live. Part of the problem with West Virginia, is that its entire surface area is part of the Appalachian mountains—not a flat stretch of land in site.

So sure, it’s gorgeous to look at. But it’s not easy to farm and the roads are more crooked than a Russian politician. Plus, building anything meaningful, such as a factory or highway on a mountain, is expensive as fuck. Even if you do build something, because of the crooked roads and massive elevation changes involved in driving on them, it will make that journey very slow and expensive because of the fuel consumption and lost time.

Because of this, West Virginians don’t really have a whole lot of reasonable options when it comes to local employment. No big corporation is going to move there and build anything. So they work with what they’ve got. And what they’ve got is a shit ton of coal and cheap labor, since people are pretty poor there, and will take whatever job they can get.

This particular case has to do with a promise then Senator Obama made about coal, when he said, “If someone wants to build a new coal-fired power plant they can, but it will bankrupt them because they will be charged a huge sum for all the greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”

As he went on to become president, he tried to make good on that premise by passing the Clean Power Plan, which sought to limit the amount of greenhouse gasses power plants could produce, which was like an atomic bomb thrown into the bank account of any coal-burning plants.

But after Obama, came president Trump, who was a friend of the coal industry, and living in a world of his own making, thought all this hubbub about climate change was a scam propagated by China. No really, he said that shit.

He later went on to say he was joking. Hard to say, but either way, he was much more friendly toward coal energy.

Obama’s plan basically gave each state a goal, put the onus on them to figure out a plan by 2018 on how to meet that goal by 2030. However, in 2016, SCOTUS were like, “Woah, dude. You can’t fucking do this.” and put his plan on indefinite hold—it would never see the light of day.

In 2019, then-President Trump told the EPA to throw Obama’s plan in the Thomas Crapper, and replace it with his plan, the Affordable Clean Energy rule. Trump’s rule was basically, “Hey man. You know your shit is dirty, right? Just clean it up a little, and tell us how you’re going to do it. We’re not going to impose some strict number on you, just make it better, OK?

Back in the day, congress passed the 1970 Clean Air Act. One of the sticking points of this case is section 7411, which gives the EPA the power to determine the “best system of emission reduction” for any business to reduce it’s contributions to the overall air pollution.

According to Trump and his minions, that rule only covered shit they could easily do within their business model. Like simple upgrades to their procedures, or even adding equipment to their facilities. What they called “Inside the fenceline” changes.

In their minds, they felt it did not include forcing them to change their whole fucking business model from a coal-burning plant, to a solar farm, for instance. That’s straight up bullshit!

Anyway, as you can imagine, environmental groups, not happy with Trump’s ideas, sued in a DC District court, who then obliterated Trump’s rule, and his repeal of Obama’s rule. Part of this case hinges around whether that ruling effectively reinstated Obama’s Clean Power Plan.

As you can imagine, the coal industry in West Virginia and other states were like, “What the fuck is wrong with you assholes? We’re trying to make a living here.”

Historic Photo of West Virginia Coal Miners

So on to the Supreme Court they went. SCOTUS was happy to listen to their arguments, but in steps now President Biden. He was like, “Hey my SCOTUS friends. Did I ever tell you how nice you guys look in those robes? Can I smell your hair real quick? Anyway, fuck Obama and Trump. We’re not using either one of their stupid acts. We’re going to come up with something new and better. So if you could just chill, I think we’re going to make this case moot.”

Interesting side note, despite Obama’s plan having never been put into force, companies on their own, in a free market, reached Obama’s goals over a decade earlier than the 2030 goal he put forward.

SCOTUS however was not keen to “chill.” They decided to hear the case. This would potentially put up some guardrails on the EPA, before team Biden can come up with something new. Such rulings can be controversial though, because SCOTUS is not an advisory committee. They’re supposed to right the wrong of an injured party, not lay framework to prevent future harm.

So that’s a major part of this case, as West Virginia’s side thinks they are going to be harmed, and have been already, whereas the other side are like, “These regulations aren’t even in force yet. How the fuck were they harmed?”

Also at the heart of this, is the “Major Questions Doctrine.” This isn’t a law or anything, it’s just a principle SCOTUS currently seems to live by, which suggests that because agencies like the EPA, who were created by congress but act at the pleasure of the president, are not elected. So their scope should be rather limited as to what regulating they’re allowed to do.

The law creating the EPA gives them a directive, but it doesn’t mean they can just write some massive fucking regulation that affects everyone in the United States. For something like that, congress should be writing those as laws.

The point being, if we let these agencies write such regulations that affect everyone, we’re essentially giving the president, who these agency-heads report to, the same power congress has in writing laws, since regulations carry the same weight as laws, allowing the president to have a significant advantage in the balance of power between the three.

While the Biden administration think SCOTUS should moot this case and dismiss it, while waiting to see what new regulation they write, the states like West Virginia contend that Biden was Obama’s fucking VP. He’ll assuredly write similar legislation. They were basically besties. Although I’m not sure Biden ever got a chance to give Obama a reach-around while smelling his hair.

So the opponents are asking SCOTUS, under the principles of the major questions doctrine, to put up some strict limits on what the EPA can do, and what it can’t.

Now, on to the arguments!

Counsel Lindsay S. See for West Virginia opened with this:

Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court: In Section 111 of the Clean Air Act, Congress directed EPA to partner with the states to regulate on a source-specific level, which means identifying measures particular buildings can take to reduce their own emissions. The D.C. Circuit gave EPA much broader power, power to reshape the nation’s energy sector, or most any other industry for that matter, by choosing which sources should exist at all and setting standards to make it happen. No tools of statutory construction support that result.

First, electricity generation is a pervasive and essential aspect of modern life and squarely within the states’ traditional zone.

Yet, EPA can now regulate in ways that cost billions of dollars, affect thousands of businesses, and are designed to address an issue with worldwide effect.

This is major policymaking power under any definition. And though Respondents argue EPA can resolve these questions unless clearly forbidden, this Court’s precedents are clear that’s backward.

Unless Congress clearly authorizes it, Section 111 does not stretch so far, and Congress hasn’t done so here. Second, the words Congress did use in the context where it placed them confirms Section 111’s traditional scope.

Read together, key statutory terms like “the requirement standards before individual sources” and “focused on their performance” show that Congress did not green-light this transformative power. And, finally, standing is no reason to avoid the merits.

We’re injured by a judgment that brings back to life a rule that hurts us and that takes off the books a rule that benefits us.

Respondents’ arguments sound in mootness, and it’s their burden to show that EPA’s voluntary cessation and a — and a stay are enough to end the case.

They’re not.

Counsel Lindsay S. See

We’re asking for the classic appellate relief of undoing what the court below did, and this Court has full power to give it. And the weighty issues at stake confirm that it should.

In contrast to EPA’s important but environmentally focused role, Congress and the states are able to weigh all of the competing factors and constituencies in play.

The lower court was wrong to short-circuit that process here, and the Court should reverse. I welcome the Court’s questions.

Justice Thomas, being the most senior member always gets to go first, so he opened by point-blank asking if she loses without the “Major questions” doctrine.

Knowing that this is a guiding principle for the Republican appointees, but not so much for the Democrat appointees, she was like, “No dawg. We think the language in the Clean Air Act law that Obama’s regulation is guided by didn’t authorize this shit explicitly. It’s a fucking stretch at best.”

She was invoking a separate doctrine, the “Clear Statement Rule.” It’s often deemed as synonymous with the Major Questions Doctrine, but a little different. Basically, it’s saying the courts should take laws at their word. Not stretch them and contort them to fit an agency’s desired regulation. If the language isn’t very clear and specifically authorizing such a regulation, then that regulation should be deemed invalid. The major questions doctrine sort of relies on the clear statement rule, but a clear statement rule is not always a major question. It could be some petty shit.

Justice Breyer was concerned that her interpretation of the Clean Air Act basically requires that the EPA look at each individual power plant, and regulate them based on what they’re currently doing, and how to improve upon what they have. But, the EPA, was authorized to devise the:

…best technological system of continuous emission reduction.

So in his mind, a “system” is more about the EPA creating a framework to reduce greenhouse gasses, and all power companies should operate within that system. Therefore, he thinks congress specifically did give the EPA that power, and even if it is a major question, the law that is written, specifically authorizes them to do it, which overcomes the “Major Questions” hurdle.

Associate Justice Stephen Breyer

Justices Sotomayor and Kagan both pushed on the idea that the EPA was tasked with reducing carbon-dioxide emissions, which counsel Lee agree was correct. So to them, these measures the EPA wants to regulate do that, and congress clearly gave them the directive to do that, so what the fuck is the problem?

But counsel Lee was unmoved by their short-sighted line of questioning.

She was like, “Listen, you idiots. Congress authorized the EPA to find ways for existing plants to update their equipment and processes to lower their CO2 emissions. At no point, did congress authorize the EPA to write regulations that a coal burning plant isn’t allowed to be a coal burning plant anymore. That’s not improving their emissions, that’s putting them out of business and improving emissions vicariously. Are you so fucking stupid you can’t see the fucking difference?

Justice Sotomayor then pushed her on the meaning of the word “reduction.” The law from congress gives them the task of reducing CO2, and this regulation does that, so why is it not OK?

Counsel Lee responded to that with, “It says ‘reduce’ not eliminate, moron. They use the word ‘eliminate’ elsewhere in the statute, so clearly they know the fucking difference. If you force a coal plant out of business, you’re not reducing their emissions, which implies they still produce them, just less. You’re eliminating it altogether.”

Justice Gorsuch chimed in about the “mootness” claim that Biden and company suggest. He didn’t so much have a question, as he was just like, “Um, you want to opine on that shit before your time is up?”

Associate Justice Neil Gorsuch

Counsel Lee explained that while many states had already reached the goals, well before Obama’s Clean Power Plan ordered them to, there were twenty states that didn’t. So if Biden’s new rule is anything like Obama’s, it will surely fuck up those states. It’ll definitely fuck up our beloved state of West “By God” Virginia. So we’re asking you to put up some fucking rules before Biden fucks us square in the asshole with a carbon-neutral dildo.

Justice Sotomayor continued to press on the idea that she’s asking the court to be an advisor of sorts, by creating a precedent before Biden even makes his new fucking rule, and that SCOTUS typically doesn’t do that. As such, this shit sure seems moot to her.

But counsel Lee responded, “The old Obama rule is technically in effect, even if it’s on indefinite hold. So this shit isn’t moot unless we can be ensured the old rule is gone for good, and we won’t be harmed by this new rule Biden’s peeps are going to implement. Got it?”

After counsel Lee was done with her arguments for the great state of West Virginia, in comes Jacob M. Roth for the companies who burn the fucking coal. He opened with this:

Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court: On our reading of Section 111(d), the EPA’s power is a bounded one.

It takes an existing pollution source as a given and asks what emissions rate is achievable for that source. Respondents, however, want to divorce the EPA’s best system of emission reduction from the particular source that’s being regulated. That would allow the agency to effectively dictate not only the technical details of how a coal plant operates but also the big-picture policy of how the nation generates its electricity. What is the right mix of energy sources for the nation and, for that matter also, how the nation uses its electricity? And the same would go for every other carbon-emitting industry.

Jacob M. Roth
Counsel Jacob M. Roth

That immense authority cannot be reconciled with the statutory text and structure, let alone with the major questions doctrine. With that, I welcome the Court’s questions.

I was thinking about explaining this in plain language, because that’s what I do here, but he kinda does it so well I’m not sure I need to. He’s got a pretty good point. The EPA doesn’t get to set our nation’s energy policy. They can’t just tell a coal company, they need to become a windfarm or some shit. That’s fucking ridiculous.

Justice Breyer was taking counsel Roth to task on the idea that producing less energy means reducing emissions, and as such, it’s what congress intended with their law.

But counsel Roth was like, “Listen you old bastard, aren’t you retired yet? Less production certainly does reduce emissions, but that’s clearly not the point of the fucking regulation, or it could have just been one sentence that capped the amount of energy they may produce.

It’s fucking obvious to any idiot that isn’t you, that the point of this is to say if we produce 100 megawatt hours and 1 ton of CO2 doing it, they want us to produce only 1/2 a ton of CO2 in the future for every 100 megawatts we generate. Reduction, not elimination. Capiche?”

He went on to smack down Breyer’s argument with this statement:

Well, it says standard of performance.

So let me give you an example, Justice Breyer. We talk about standards of performance all the time when we’re talking about fuel, fuel performance standards for cars, right? When we use that phrase, what we mean is, you know, I can get 30 miles a gallon, I can get 35 miles a gallon.

We don’t mean I can take the bus.

We don’t mean I could stay home.

You know, yes, you’re using less fuel that way.

That’s not a standard of performance. I think the same is true here.

Sure, we can shut down the coal plant, and it will emit less, but it is not performing better.

It’s a pretty powerful argument for sure, and I think Justice Breyer was just too stubborn to admit it.

Counsel Roth closed with a response to Justice Barrett asking about why this gets overturned under the major questions doctrine:

Associate Justice Amy Coney Barrett

So, actually, Justice Barrett, I think it is a mismatch and it’s pretty much the same way because I think, if you look at the Clean Power Plan and that interpretation of the statute, the agency really isn’t regulating emissions.

It’s regulating industrial policy and energy policy, right, that is going to have downstream emissions consequences. It’s not actually saying here’s how you can reduce your emissions.

It’s saying, well, we can do the market differently in a way that we won’t need you at all, and then, yeah, sure, you won’t have the emissions from the plant.

I think that is just taking it on up to — to, again, a fundamentally different level in just the same way as — as Brown & Williamson and those precedents.

After he completed his arguments, it was time for Biden’s team to respond, and an amici representing power generation companies that want these regulations to be made.

Veteran SCOTUS Counsel Elizabeth B. Prelogar started off for the government with this opening rant:

Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court: This case is not justiciable, and Petitioners are wrong on the merits in any event. On justiciability, the D.C. Circuit’s judgment leaves no EPA rule in effect.

The agency action challenged here wasn’t the Clean Power Plan; it was the decision to replace it with the ACE Rule.

The D.C. Circuit vacated ACE but chose not to reinstate the CPP, so no federal regulation will occur until EPA completes its upcoming rulemaking. Petitioners aren’t harmed by the status quo and can’t establish Article III injury from the D.C. Circuit’s judgment. Instead, what they seek from this Court is a decision to constrain EPA’s authority in the upcoming rulemaking.

That is the very definition of an advisory opinion, which the Court should decline to issue. If the Court reaches the merits, it should affirm.

No one seriously defends the ACE Rule’s view that the statute restricts states and power plants to inside-the-fence-line measure.

That restriction is unprecedented and would threaten to disrupt an industry that has long relied on measures like trading and averaging to reduce emissions in the most cost-effective way. Nor does the statute limit EPA to inside-the-fence-line measures in identifying the best system of emission reduction. Petitioners claim that interpretation is necessary to prevent the EPA from restructuring the entire industry or shutting down all coal plants. We agree that EPA cannot do those things, but that’s because of the express constraints that Congress included in the statute.

Among other things, the system has to be adequately demonstrated.

It has to be of reasonable cost.

Solicitor General Elizabeth Barchas Prelogar

It can’t threaten the reliability of the energy grid.

And, critically, it must be focused on cleaner production, not on reducing overall levels of production. Finally, Petitioners are wrong to say that this case implicates a major question.

For all their criticisms of the CPP, we know that it wouldn’t have had major consequences.

The industry achieved the CPP’s emission limits a decade ahead of schedule and in the absence of any federal regulation. Given that reality, Petitioners ask the Court to focus on the nature of the statute in the abstract, not on the particular effects of any particular regulation.

But that is never how this Court has looked at major questions, and it just reinforces that Petitioners are seeking an advisory opinion here. I welcome the Court’s questions.

She clearly didn’t think they should even be here, since there’s no fucking rule in place to give the other side standing to sue. She argues that they’re just here to try to get SCOTUS to be an advisor before new rules are made. I suppose in that respect, it’s hard to argue she’s not wrong.

She also made it clear, that despite the fact that neither Trump’s nor Obama’s rules ever actually took effect, 30 fucking states hit those goals. So it seems hard to argue that they’re enduring some amazing harm, when more than half the states were like, “No fucking problem, dude!”

She also pointed out that the rules of Obama’s CPP had deadlines that came and went before it ever took effect, so it’s not like it could be implemented anyway.

Two of the recurring themes of all these arguments that Justice Sotomayor asked counsel Prelogar to explain, were “generation shifting” as we discussed. An example might be a coal plant is forced to become a wind farm, or something of that nature, because as a coal plant, there’s no foreseeable way for them to hit the emissions targets set forth by the EPA.

Official Portrait of United States Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor Click for Biography

The second issue she questioned her on, was that there’s also two facets of the law, one is about new sources, and one is about existing sources.

Counsel Prelogar pointed out that under Obama’s CPP plan, new sources were given one standard that took effect immediately, because if you’re going to build a new plant from fucking scratch, it should be compliant right away. Why the fuck would you even build a non-compliant plant just to have to upgrade it later?

Existing plants however, were given seven years to upgrade their shit.

She also argued that there were other methods they could use besides generation shifting, such as carbon capture, which is basically what it fucking sounds like. You have a device on your exhaust to catch the CO2 coming out, that liberates the carbon from the O2, let’s the O2 go free, but keeps the carbon and presumably buries it, or uses it in such a way as to not put it back in the air. In other words, precisely what a tree does.

The other is cap & trade. You’ve probably heard this shit before, because it’s been used before. It’s when a company is a polluter, so they pay another company that is a non-polluter and receive carbon credits for doing so. Basically, they polluter helps fund the non-polluter, to offset their dirty ass ways.

Justice Kavanaugh took her to task on this point:

The other side’s theory, I think, zooming out a bit, is that Congress knows how to do cap-and-trade.

They did it with acid rain.

There were bills pending in Congress to do cap-and-trade for CO2 emissions.

Associate Justice Brett Kavanaugh

Ultimately, those did not pass.

And then what happened is the executive branch, as executive branches are, unhappy with the pace of what’s going on in Congress, tried to do a cap-and-trade regime through an old and somewhat ill-fitting regulation. So the cap-and-trade aspect of this, I just want you to address and kind of put that in context of, like, UARG, squeezing it into a — an old statute that wasn’t necessarily designed for something like this.

This is precisely the point of the major questions doctrine. For years, people who are fighting to improve CO2 emissions have lobbied to pass cap & trade legislation and failed. So how the fuck is it OK, that if congress can’t pass that shit, the president can just have a regulatory agency roll up all dirty, and pass it on the side? This is a clear separation of powers where congress can’t pass a measure, so the president tries to do it by fiat because he’s fucking annoyed with their ineptitude.

Her response was basically that congress’ cap & trade bills were fucking different from the CPP, and that difference means these aren’t the same thing now, either. She basically said that CPP had allowed for states to use cap & trade as a measure of attaining their goals, whereas the cap & trade bill congress failed to pass, was a measure forcing it on everyone.

Justice Roberts decided to chime in, asking her if she even accepted the major questions doctrine, and if so, how she’d explain it. She agreed it was a valid principle, but she felt her arguments overcame it.

Chief Justice John Roberts

Justice Roberts was like, “but wouldn’t you fucking say, knowing that we kinda take that shit seriously, that you shouldn’t create fucking rules that violate the principle in the first place? I mean, you’re wasting our time when you know we’re going to overrule it. We’ve got better shit to do.” But because it’s Justice Roberts, he said it in a nice way with a smile on his face.

She was basically saying, “Hey, we gave them ideas on how to achieve their goals. No one told them they had to do cap & trade. We were just like, “Yo, you could try this shit, if it helps you.””

Remember how counsel Prelogar was trying to argue that both Obama’s CPP and Trump’s ACE regulations never went into effect, and therefore there was no standing for the other side to even sue in the first place?

Justice Breyer had questions about this.

Because the DC court invalidated Trumps ACE because it was fucking stupid, part of the ACE regulation was that it “Trumped” (See what I did there?) Obama’s CPP law. So if the DC court shitcanned that mother fucker Trump put forward, that has to mean that CPP is back on, right?

But counsel Prelogar was like, “Nah, dude. Remember, you put that CPP shit on hold? Well, invalidating ACE just means we went back to a time before ACE was enacted, but after CPP was put on hold. So we still sit here with two regulations that are as worthless as Bernie Senders’ ideas on economics.

Last up—Beth S. Brinkmann, in support of Biden and company, representing power companies who actually like this CPP shit, or at least better than Trump’s ACE shit, presumably because many had already achieved the goals set in CPP, opened with this:

Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court: The statutory framework Congress created in Section 7411 is critical to the power companies.

For years, the power companies have used emissions trading, generation shifting, and other measures to reduce emissions while keeping the lights on at reasonable cost. The ACE Rule would exclude those measures from the BSER because they are not at or to a source, but nothing in the statute excludes them. Congress directed the expert agency to look to reality when it makes the empirical determination of the best system of emission reduction for the source category. Congress would have expected the agency to consider emissions trading.

Counsel Beth S. Brinkmann

Congress had allowed emissions trading by fossil fuel plants to control emissions of various pollutants for decades. We know that Congress did not impose the ACE Rule restriction on the BSER because of the other sections of the statute where Congress did narrow the text to — for certain other emissions limitations but not in 1174(a). The ACE Rule would eliminate significant, long-standing, cost-effective means of lowering emissions.

That’s why the power companies urge rejection of the ACE Rule while embracing the many limits that the Clean Air Act place on EPA’s authority. I welcome questions from the Court.

Justice Thomas opened up by asking her if there were instances under the Clean Air Act (Law, not regulation), where these principles CPP wants to employ were used?

She responded:

Yes.

Associate Justice Clarence Thomas

In 2005, Your Honor, the mercury rule used it in just this way.

Petitioners try and suggest it wasn’t part of the BSER, but it indeed was.

And I would also point, Your Honor, not just to the actual 1174(d) mercury rule but also the acid rain rule and the Good Neighbor rule under 7410. Those were all instances where Congress said that they had to use emissions trading, for example, but they did not require it in 1174(a), but there’s no indication that it excluded it. And if I could, I think that the statute really answers this question.

There are limits, many limits which the solicitor general addressed, but there’s no at-and-to limit.

Justice Roberts, hit her with the extreme hypothetical when he point blank asked if the best system of emission reduction, as the law states, could include just shutting that plant down. Like, if they can order them to lower their emissions, why can’t they just be forced to lower them to zero.

She said no, that’s not how she reads the statute. She agrees it’s about emission reduction, based on the source, with the assumption they’d continue producing the same amount of power.

But then she went on to argue that if plant A is a major polluter for instance, it can create a new plant B that’s not a polluter, such as a windfarm, and it could offset plant A’s dirty fucking exhaust. So it’s still producing the same amount of energy, it’s just now it’s offset by something cleaner.

While I get her point, the amount of energy usage doesn’t change because a new plant comes online. The people use what the people use. So a new clean plant they end up making, which generates new energy that wasn’t there before, will take a piece of that energy pie away from the older plant, in effect harming them.

Justice Alito wanted to understand, that under their interpretation of the major questions doctrine, maybe there was a rule from long ago that no one ever fucking used. So an agency decides, “You know what, I think I’d like to use this shit in my regulation.” Now, the regulation could have broad implications, but in this case, they’re just going to apply it to one small thing. If this regulation would get struck down under major questions philosophy, is it OK if they only implement it to a small group where it doesn’t affect many people?

Counsel Brinkmann was like, “Remember when you struck down OSHA making all employees get vaccinated or wear a mask, but you were OK with HHS requiring vaccines for health care workers who work at a facility that gets Medicare/Medicaid money? Well, that’s how we see that shit, too. So yeah, a smaller pool of people is OK, but fucking everyone, not so much.

Justice Breyer, wanting to press this issue, went for the joke of the day with one of his crazy hypotheticals when he asked:

Associate Justice Stephen Breyer

Look, in tobacco—suppose they started off in saying we are regulating the advertising of four-foot cigars smoked through hookahs, okay?

He was referring to the FDA regulating tobacco. The FDA can regulate facets of tobacco use, but they can’t just fucking ban tobacco. So his hypothetical wants to know about big ass fucking cigar hookah shit.

She tried to walk the line by saying that really, they should look at what’s being regulated, and whether it is in line with the text of the law authorizing them to regulate it, almost entirely ignoring the major questions issue in front of her.

Justice Breyer, ever the modest person was like, “Maybe my hypothetical wasn’t that good.”

Justice Alito, ignoring Breyer’s silliness was like, “OK, let me put it another way. Let’s say we’re all Kool & the Gang with the small regulation against a few people, but then the EPA is like, “Well, that worked, so we’ll expand this to more people…and more people…and more people, until we’re basically a tyrannical oppressor.

But she went back to the idea that basically, she looks at the text of the law, essentially arguing the major questions doctrine away entirely, and not entertaining any hypotheticals.

Associate Justice Samuel Alito

In a 6:3 partisan split, SCOTUS agreed that the EPA did not have the power to implement a regulations that push these companies to completely change their business model. They believed this approach definitely falls under the major questions doctrine, and is something for elected officials to pass as law, not the president to instruct the EPA to craft as regulation.

Justice Roberts, in his majority opinion was unimpressed with the Biden administrations claims that they were passing a new rule anyway, making this moot. He was like, “You fucking talk all the time how great that fucking regulation was you old bastard. So don’t tell us you’re not about to pass something similar. And stay away from my fucking hair. Jesus!”

Roberts also reasoned that this broad approach had not long before, been attempted to be passed by congress, and it failed. So clearly, congress wouldn’t want the fucking EPA to do it instead. If they didn’t want it, they didn’t fucking want it!”

Justice Roberts was not against these measures as a reasonable means to combat climate change. He admitted in his opinion, that they were likely a fair path forward to achieve that end. They just believe such regulations should be laws passed by congress, so the people can decide, not the president.

The minority complained about the majority’s strict adherence to the major questions doctrine. Their argument is that these agencies are appointed because they’re fucking experts, unlike those dumb cunts in congress, or the three brilliant legal minds here on our courthouse. As such, that’s why congress gives them the authority to make those regulations, because they fucking know better than any of us here in Washington. Their willingness to give the executive such power seemingly suggests they forgot that Donald Trump was once president.

Hear oral arguments and/or read about the case here at Oyez or SCOTUSBlog.